Road Racing in Little Cars

I know these are not Aveos, but who knows, maybe I'll see about joining these ranks of road racing fits, yaris's, and Versas. I need to run a few more tracks in the Aveo to see how I compare time wise. So far I only have a time at Willow Springs of 1.51 which for a 100hp Aveo is not too bad. Unfortunately if I did run it in Time Trials, I would have to run TTF which happens to be the same class as my Mazdaspeed Protege. Difference is the MSP will get up to 130 on CA Speedway and 120 at Willow Springs, but the Aveo could only get up to 95 at willow. With boost, I would have a chance, but that takes away the whole economy aspect of running an Aveo in the first place.

http://www.turn3creative.com/versa.html

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/feat ... fit_spoon/

That Versa still fugly but I like the fit. I just can't see an Aveo keeping up with the tuning scene like the fit or keeping up with it at the track.
I've yet to see a REAL boosted Aveo that works, to me its a myth, but if it was done and would hold together we might be able to keep up with them, but then wouldn't we be in a different class if our cars were boosted?.

But who am I to say, give it a try and see what happens. :D

I personally like the Versa. I am not aware of any Versa's or Fit's running in NASA's Time Trial series though I will know for sure in Feb. I believe they are running in some special tuner series which is basically for big dollar tuning companies.

That Versa by the way is not boosted.

As for what class the Aveo is in, well right now it's in TTG but with boost it would most likely end up in TTF which is where my MazdaSpeed Protege currently is.

If I could get any form of financial assistance, I would love to campaign a boosted Aveo and could probably do quite well with just a few basic mods. 15" tires and wheels, 150whp, H&R springs, Drivers seat, Tunnel Brace, front lower tie brace and some fender braces.

Hey all,
I have made "Hot laps" at our local road race course in Winnipeg. Not real quick but loads of fun. The best I got up to was 150kph on the backstretch.
Not bad for a street car.
Rhyno

what is that 90mph? Once the Aveo hits 80 it has a hard time climbing. I was only able to 'almost' hit 100. My Lanos would hit 105 on the same spots on the same track... even carrying less speed through turn 9 (80 in the Lanos compared to 85-90 in the Aveo) the Lanos would hit 105. In the Mazda, I take turn 8 at 120 which makes turn 9 more interesting and 110-120 on the straight depending on how I handle the rest of the course. If I push hard on turns 5-6 it heatsoaks the intercooler so the car has a lot less power coming out of turn 9.

anyone know what wheels are on that versa? they are sweet

if you pull the car all the way back until it start making a clicking sound and then let go, it'll really take off.

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if you pull the car all the way back until it start making a clicking sound and then let go, it'll really take off.

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wow your so funny...i wish i was as cool as you :roll:

don't be a douche about it, i saw the 'racing little cars' topic and couldn't help myself.

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if you pull the car all the way back until it start making a clicking sound and then let go, it'll really take off.

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wow your so funny...i wish i was as cool as you :roll:

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I laughed. :lol:

Unfortunately due to going to my best friends funeral next monday, I no longer have the money for the track day next month. :(

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if you pull the car all the way back until it start making a clicking sound and then let go, it'll really take off.

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wow your so funny...i wish i was as cool as you :roll:

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I laughed. :lol:

Unfortunately due to going to my best friends funeral next monday, I no longer have the money for the track day next month. :(

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Sorry to hear about your friend. We are here for you if you need us :)

Thanks... crazy how life can be. A heart attack at 28. Autopsy reported an enlarged heart. Most likely from the injections he recieved after hurting his back in Iraq. After two months of daily injections he couldn't fight anymore and was discharged. 8 year old daughter and a 3 week old daughter too. His life has been a mess for a while, but recently he started "getting it together". I'm not looking forward to the trip :(

wow only 28 :(

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Originally Posted by subachad

I know these are not Aveos, but who knows, maybe I'll see about joining these ranks of road racing fits, yaris's, and Versas. I need to run a few more tracks in the Aveo to see how I compare time wise. So far I only have a time at Willow Springs of 1.51 which for a 100hp Aveo is not too bad. Unfortunately if I did run it in Time Trials, I would have to run TTF which happens to be the same class as my Mazdaspeed Protege. Difference is the MSP will get up to 130 on CA Speedway and 120 at Willow Springs, but the Aveo could only get up to 95 at willow. With boost, I would have a chance, but that takes away the whole economy aspect of running an Aveo in the first place.

http://www.turn3creative.com/versa.html

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/feat ... fit_spoon/

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i was just wondering what modification you had done to your aveo when you ran the 1.51 at willow springs

stock steelies with 195/60/14 azenis RT-615
modified airbox. (opening enlarged to 2.5")
no resonators (since have been replaced as the car sounded dumb)
WRX muffler otherwise mostly stock piping
full interior
otherwise stock

ok cool i was jw because i finally found a Fit driver interest in comparing willow springs track times....he put down a time of 1:46 with an intake and strut bar.

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ok cool i was jw because i finally found a Fit driver interest in comparing willow springs track times....he put down a time of 1:46 with an intake and strut bar.

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That's pretty damn good. What tires and wheels was he using and also what springs? Most of the guys with timers in HPDE3 that day were only running around 1:45ish and they were in track prepared cars such as mustangs, bmw's, evos, etc.

he was running stock suspension and tires, he said he needs new tires now because he tore them up on the track

I don't know how I could have ran any faster. There were only a couple spots on the track where I would even be off throttle. Most of the time I just left my foot in and the turns slowed me down.

I just received my road course racing certification @ PACIFIC RACEWAYS in Kent, Wa., and got my ass handed to me on the straight sections. For corners, I'm running the EIBACH PRO KIT springs, which is a huge improvement, but still rubbed quite a bit (TOYO T1R tire rub burnt a hole in the front right fender liner that you can put your fist through). I gave the Aveo the TRUE road test, and came to this conclusion... We need SWAY BARS and MORE MOTOR!! How's about a Poly-urethane bushing kit? That would help, also. Racing the Aveo has changed my opinions on 'Turbo'. I did not want to run 'Turbo', but after the beating I took from the likes of BMW, SAAB, Subaru, Mazda, a Ford Taurus(WTF?!), and yes, 2 full race built CRX's, a 'Turbo' is definitely needed.
On a good note: I am proud to say that I am the FIRST in the history of Seattle International Raceways/ now PACIFIC RACEWAYS, to run an Aveo on the track, and it was noticed. My crew member told me it was one of THE cars everyone was talking about in the stands (besides the Subaru WRX that hit the wall). Whether good words spoken or bad, they couldn't believe it! Not bad getting noticed in a 40 car line-up.
Some of you guys were talking of your straight section speeds, and I don't think I could get my top speed over 100 mph on a damn near 1/2 mile straight, 5th gear wide F'ing open before dynamiting the ABS system for the turn. Believe me, I tried. I just couldn't get it to go any faster. Does sound pretty cool when you know you're tapped out for power. It's a deep
wah wah wah wah consistent humming. An "all clear for take-off" freeway run turned up the same results. Definitely TURBO time...

I believe subachad is running poly bushings on his bar... don't think the results are that drastic. A thicker swaybar up front and one in the rear would definitely be a welcome addition.

Honestly, though... some proper high rate springs coupled with some "sport" dampeners should do the job... unfortunately I would imagine the dampeners would be more expensive to produce (or at least develop) than the bars.

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Some of you guys were talking of your straight section speeds, and I don't think I could get my top speed over 100 mph on a damn near 1/2 mile straight, 5th gear

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Why are you trying to reach 100 on 5th? with your diameter tires, you can reach 100 in 4th while only at 5500 rpm. Are you just running out of track?? But regardless I still don't understand why you'd shift into 5th beforehand? I think precisionboost or someone on daewootech calculated the optimal shift point from 4-5 would be ~5750 rpm

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Some of you guys were talking of your straight section speeds, and I don't think I could get my top speed over 100 mph on a damn near 1/2 mile straight, 5th gear

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Why are you trying to reach 100 on 5th? with your diameter tires, you can reach 100 in 4th while only at 5500 rpm. Are you just running out of track?? But regardless I still don't understand why you'd shift into 5th beforehand? I think precisionboost or someone on daewootech calculated the optimal shift point from 4-5 would be ~5750 rpm

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I'm coming out of turn 9 dog leg right 3rd gear to the floor. Shifting to 4th out of the corner, after which I still have a half mile. Just before Quarter mile down, I shift to 5th. I'm tapping out every gear, the DAEWOO motor just had nothing left. At Pacific Raceways, you don't have time to look down much at your gauges, shifting etc., is all based on listening to rpm's, so I really don't know where I was at in the range.

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Some of you guys were talking of your straight section speeds, and I don't think I could get my top speed over 100 mph on a damn near 1/2 mile straight, 5th gear

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Why are you trying to reach 100 on 5th? with your diameter tires, you can reach 100 in 4th while only at 5500 rpm. Are you just running out of track?? But regardless I still don't understand why you'd shift into 5th beforehand? I think precisionboost or someone on daewootech calculated the optimal shift point from 4-5 would be ~5750 rpm

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I'm coming out of turn 9 dog leg right 3rd gear to the floor. Shifting to 4th out of the corner, after which I still have a half mile. Just before Quarter mile down, I shift to 5th. I'm tapping out every gear, the DAEWOO motor just had nothing left. At Pacific Raceways, you don't have time to look down much at your gauges, shifting etc., is all based on listening to rpm's, so I really don't know where I was at in the range.

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Forgot to mention: @ 6,000 rpm- the motor governs out and goes 'Limp'. Anyone else with this problem? Any fix to this? And don't tell me to put Viagara in the gas tank, I tried. hahaha...

Yeah after 5500 rpm, it's more efficient to shift than to redline.

Mine spins all the way to 6500... I got my gas pedal stuck under the mat once accidentally. I lifted the pedal to shift but I got the power shift instead.
I'd be inclined to let it spin out in 4th...

6500... right on.
There is an additional 7 pounds rolling mass per wheel over stock steelie wheels and tires on my setup. Could this be another determination factor of a slightly slower acceleration, leading to a lower overall top speed on the straights? Hmmm, plausible. I need a torque/horsepower to rolling mass/gross weight calculation done for this one. Get crackin'.

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Forgot to mention: @ 6,000 rpm- the motor governs out and goes 'Limp'. Anyone else with this problem? Any fix to this? And don't tell me to put Viagara in the gas tank, I tried. hahaha...

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governer is there for a reason, it limps out so you don't break something. youd have to crack the ecu to change that, but without any motor work there is no reason to change it

...also you probably shouldnt run 17's unless they are superlight....that will probably stop excess rubbing.

...and I thought I bought an F1 super motor! gahdamnit... I wanna be able to break something if I want to, not be rpm limited by some F*ing ecu computer program... That's no fun. As for the 17's, SHUT yer piehole... They're staying. joke

At Willow Springs, I could not even top 100. Even exiting turn 8 at 95 which is about as fast as any regular road car can go, I still couldn't top 100 on the straight. My AT Lanos I couldn't go no more than 85 around that turn as I didn't have the experience I do now and it would hit 105 on the straight. Mostly due to aerodynamics I'm sure.

Anyway, other than power my biggest complaint is suspension. Even with the H&R's there is WAY too much body roll. The front tires have to do all the work, with some sways that would be fixed.

Yes I have polyurethane swaybar bushings up front, they are loud when it's cold going over speedbumps, but between them and the front lower brace they make the car very neutral. If I brake and then flick it, I can get the back to rotate quite easily. No way it would do that without those two mods.

Tire/wheel I have 205/50/15 Kumho Ecsta SPT's and some 12 pound Rota Circuit 8's. I picked the combo so it would be lighter than stock and have a lot more grip.

My other complaint for this car on a track is the flex in the chassis. It needs a lot more bracing.

More power, it would need better brakes. I only lost the brakes a couple times my last track day which is not too bad when hard braking from 80 to 35. When I first tested them on a downhill canyon run I was able to get them smoking to the point they wouldn't even slow the car after 3 50-10 MPH consecutive hard brakings. This was with the stock wheels, I suspect the additional airflow with the Rotas will improve that.

Congrats for taking your car out there, it's a lot of fun and the comments are funny too. One guy was all "OOH LOOK A FIT!" Someone else referred to it as "the rental"

COOL man. I checked on your ROTA 8's before I picked up my MOMO's... kinda' Spendy, but sounds well worth it. I think I'll eventually switch to a 15" Trak-lite wheel for track days. What swaybar you using? And bushing kit from who? Would like to add that setup. Reinforcing body twist would be good. Didn't feel it much, but what the F*, why not. Thinkin' about those R1 Concept front disks, but I don't want too much front brake without modifying the rear drum setup, could possibly add too much dive at hard braking. Congrads on having the balls to go AVEO RACING. We are few, and far between!
QUICK NOTE: I AM REDLINING AT 6500. Checked it again, for ****z & giggles.

Swaybar is stock. I ordered some black 17mm Polyurethane bushings from http://www.summitracing.com. They bolt right on, I suggest a ratcheting wrench, even with that it will take quite some time as there's not much room to work.

Part of the reason for stepping up on the Rotas, is they sell for the same price used as they do new. When I get rid of the Aveo, I can get my money back on the wheels.

For chassis stiffness, try driving a Mazdaspeed 3, or something that actually has a built chassis and you'll understand. Back to back driving with the Aveo and a Mazdaspeed Protege made it very noticeable.

Don't worry about brake bias by upgrading the fronts, it dives so much as it is, even with the H&R's that the backs are more likely to lock up than the fronts anyway. In fact when it was stock, the rear would lock before the fronts which made it a little dangerous. I don't have ABS btw, not sure if you do.